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Discussion Poll: Should swapping near obsidian be blocked by the game?

Discussion in 'Annihilation' started by Az_Naviko, May 2, 2015.

Discussion - Poll: Should swapping near obsidian be blocked by the game?
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Should swapping near obsidian be blocked by the game?

Yes - you should NOT be able to swap players into obsidian 57 vote(s) 38.3%
No - obsidian swapper traps are OK 92 vote(s) 61.7%
  1. Az_Naviko Gold

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    Note* Because this has been discussed many times before, I wanted to post a poll - to get an idea how the community feels as a whole.

    Two questions for everyone :D:

    1. What purpose have you found for obsidian in Annihilation? Is it worth including in maps?

    2. Should swapping near obsidian (obsidian swapper traps) be automatically blocked by the game? How can you counter these traps?

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    I completely understand wool and dirt swapper traps - with shears and a shovel they can still be countered (with fast reflexes and a little skill), but I have no idea why swapping near obsidian is allowed; it is no longer a matter of reflexes and bringing the right tools - there is no way to counter unless playing as swapper or dasher - which seems completely OP and unfair (a class is clearly OP if it can only be countered by two classes... Right?!:stuck_out_tongue:).

    Andorra has become a very frustrating map to play :nope: , simply due to these obsidian swapper traps; attacking a nexus in Andorra is no longer an exciting back-and-forth battle of skill and speed - because once you are swapped into obsidian, you are done (unless you come with an EFF IV diamond pick and gapples)… And this problem extends to every map (to a slightly lesser extent) - at mid battles and around bases - allowing a leather to single-handedly stop a full diamond attacker in one click - allowing the team to finish them off.


    Swapper is a fun class to play - and with wool and dirt traps, it is a balanced class - but obsidian ruins this balance completely :( .

  2. Canadian_moose Gold

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    Maybe allow it at phase 3?

    I would like them to stop swapping near gravel or other regenerating blocks (logs, ores and melons) for sure though
  3. Vegan_Atheist Platinum

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    1. No purpose of obsidian. Trying to remove it from maps doesn't matter since you can get obsidian from builder.
    2. Maybe. While it is possible as a solo player to escape from a single obsidian swapper trap (by being swapper or dasher), the swapper traps cause a need for team effort.

    I voted that they should be removed. But, you know, I'm not sure I would be upset either way. Andorra is an unfortunate case because you can set up 3 swapper traps around the nexus.
    Az1wdc likes this.
  4. blaze81 Platinum

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    I think if people really hate swapper traps, just go Dasher. It counters any type of swapper traps.
    Celariel, a2A209_, Desync and 7 others like this.
  5. Coyn Platinum

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    Keep it in bro .
  6. Az_Naviko Gold

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    Good point - the gravel acts like a permanent block (because it is immediately replaced) :zanonymous:

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    Didn't know you could get obsidian from builder... Thanks for letting me know :wink: Well if obsidian swap traps are going to stay, maybe it's time to add windows to Andorra's towers....:(

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    That's the point though... You shouldn't have to limit yourself to dasher/swapper to avoid swapper traps... Seriously now - how is an obsidian swapper trap fair? :stuck_out_tongue:
    blaze81 likes this.
  7. Canadian_moose Gold

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    What if you don't have 50 000 xp?
    _GeoliteK, Celariel, a2A209_ and 5 others like this.
  8. Coyn Platinum

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    I actually just bought dasher so im good! :D
    My advice is just to avoid the obby traps
  9. Keyboard Platinum

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    I'm not buying dasher or swapper, so I'm screwed? ok.
    You mean those obsidian traps 12 blocks away from the nexus on Andorra? So... don't attack, right?
    _GeoliteK, JeTi_Brothers and Az1wdc like this.
  10. Az_Naviko Gold

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  11. Coyn Platinum

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    People always get angry when we find ways to gapple rushes
    SirCaliburn likes this.
  12. Canadian_moose Gold

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  13. Keyboard Platinum

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    I've eaten like six gapples in my entire time playing Annihilation.
    lord_bolinha451 likes this.
  14. Alzi Silver

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    It is difficult to make a full obby swapper trap.
  15. TippingScales Platinum

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    Swapper traps are bullshit anyways.
    Trapping an enemy so they cant do anything except accept death is bullshit. Its just like scorpioing someone into a suffocation trap, but that was fixed. The only class that counters it is dasher and another swapper, but why change to a class just to counter 1 tactic?
  16. Pretendence Platinum

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    Honestly obsid swapper traps are a tactic to defend and defending is just a part of the game. That said it's fair as Sun Tzu says there is no such thing as "no fair" in war

    Options to counter obsid traps!

    1. Be a swapper swap an enemy in after you are
    2. Be a dasher and dash on out
    3. Avoid the obsid trap
    4. Have a team mate run at the swapper and have the swapper waste their swap on them then you go in and kill the swapper and wreck the nexus
    5. Go in a large strength rush someone will get swapped in and odds are it won't be you
    5.1: use the distraction of a large strength rush to break out if you brought a good pick along
    6. Shoot the swapper from afar with a bow
    7. Build a wall so they can't swap you in it
    8. Use Scorpio and drag em out of that trap
    9. Bring your own 4 obsidian and cover the rest of the trap so while the enemy team frantically tries to create an opening to kill you inside the trap you work on breaking the floor of the trap and escape

    Right there, those are just. Few methods I've used and have worked, there's no need for a ban or a nerf, people just need to adapt
  17. Coyn Platinum

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    There are no rules in fighting to the death ....
    Get_A_JAB likes this.
  18. Canadian_moose Gold

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    _GeoliteK, a2A209_, Kelestami and 4 others like this.
  19. Coyn Platinum

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    Dont see anything about swapper trapping
    a2A209_, Kelestami and Richard_Chaos like this.
  20. Canadian_moose Gold

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    Well you cant use hacks, spam the chat, advertise, impersonate a staff member, duplicate items and such while swapper trapping.
    Walkop likes this.

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